Make Tech Last: The Refurb Podcast

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Refurbished Phones have had a poor reputation. We’re here to change that. Join Andrew and Ben as we uncover the dark truths of the smartphone industry, and find out how big a difference switching to refurbished phones could have. Not only are you going to save money in the short term, this is going to permanently change the tech industry for the better.

… but you are going to save a lot of money.

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Episode 2: The Right to Repair

Smartphones feel like they go out of date as soon as the’re released. Why doesn’t our tech last as long as it should? What can we do to change that? In this episode of Make Tech Last, Andrew & Ben get to grips with planned obscelesence, and the Right to Repair.

Episode 1: The Phone Upgrade Scam.

In the first episode of Make Tech Last, Andrew and Ben discuss the annual mobile phone upgrade cycle, and ask: does it still make sense today? And what could we try instead?


Ben Steele is a viral TikTok creator & social media manager. Andrew Norris is a slightly obsessive technology writer with a background in environmental advocacy. The show is produced by lifelong tech refurbisher Steven Athwal, in partnership with The Big Phone Store.

Produced with The Big Phone Store

Make Tech Last is produced by The Big Phone Store – a leading independent refurbisher based in the UK. We’ve been refurbishing and recycling phones since 1999 – long before it was cool. To find out more, visit

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